Many kindergarteners around the country have been successfully averted from first day jitters at school when the alert goes out that a cute little gingerbread boy is lost on the school grounds, and must be found!
Joy Chu: Tell us about the genesis of The Gingerbread Man Loose in the School. Where did it all begin?
Laura Murray: I was a teacher before becoming a writer. The Gingerbread Man Loose in the School was inspired by a Kindergarten Gingerbread Man unit I taught at the beginning of each school year.
We compared and contrasted different versions of the Gingerbread Man story and used Gingerbread Man activities for each subject.
JC: Which versions of the Gingerbread Man story were covered in your class? This is of particular importance to beginning illustration students — that traditional tales can have a unique perspective, dependent upon the story-teller and/or artist.
LM: The teachers that do the GB Man unit use different versions of the story to compare and contrast, but I personally liked versions that had variations in setting, plot, main characters, illustration style, or culture. We used Venn diagrams to discuss similarities and differences of each version. The titles I typically used were:
The Gingerbread Man by Jim Aylesworth (traditional tale)
The Gingerbread Boy by Richard Egielski (set in New York)
The Cajun Gingerbread Boy by Berthe Amoss (Cajun “flavored” version, different characters and setting)
The Gingerbread Baby by Jan Brett (different characters and ending)
The Masubi Man: Hawaii’s Gingerbread Man by Sandi Takayama (different setting, characters, ingredients, etc.)
[clockwise, from top left]
But at the end of the unit, our freshly baked Gingerbread Man always managed to escape from the classroom!
LM: We hung missing posters and searched the halls, discovering crumbs and dropped candies, as we asked school staff where he might be. But he always found his way back to our classroom on his own — “one smart cookie!”
JC: So it’s really a CONSPIRACY!!! The entire upper grade student body plus faculty are in on it.
LM: Yes, the faculty knew that the GB Man would escape on a specific day and they would join in the fun, often letting the class know that “he just ran through the office, or that they had tried to catch him but he was too fast…”
My students absolutely loved this unit and would come back years later asking if the Gingerbread Man had escaped yet. Even though we read many versions of the Gingerbread Man story during the unit, there was not one that mirrored the fun of our school Gingerbread Man chase. So I decided to try and write a new version.
I started wondering what adventures the Gingerbread Man might have had while he was out and about, and then I began to ask what if. . . ? What if the story was set in a school? What if the story was told by the Gingerbread Man himself? What if he was trying to find the class who made him, instead of running away from them?
Those “what if” questions helped me imagine a Gingerbread Man adventure that was sprinkled with fresh, funny twists to set it apart from the traditional tale.
I wanted the story to be from the Gingerbread Man‘s point of view, so I started asking him questions. What did he want? What was getting in the way of what he wanted? What exciting, funny, or mischievous things could he do in a school?
This is the school library where they recreated scenes from the book (above); a kitchen area with pretend ingredients to make him; his “cozy” house that the class made him; the GB Man stuck on the ball . . .
. . . the missing posters on the windows (above); and a finger play poem on the pad behind me (below). Amazing!
[Mike Lowery, illustrator, and Cecilia Yung, Art Director, joins us for the discussion that follows. —JC]
JC: How was Mike Lowery chosen for this project? Did you review illustrators with the editor?
Cecilia Yung: Ryan Thomann (the book’s designer) had a poster from Mike Lowry of a pirate bunny (left) that we all loved.
We were at first concerned that he doesn’t show much setting in any of his samples. But we decided it might work if we can find a more graphic way to show the school, and that’s how the floor plan idea came up.
JC: What form did the original manuscript take? In other words, was it typed like a screenplay, given that the final book is a hybrid graphic novel/picture book?
LM: I submitted it to Putnam as a four page, typed document, with rhyming couplets. It was approximately 900 words — which is long for a picture book, but I thought it worked in this case, because there is so much action. It did not include art notes. I hoped that the text was vivid enough to “paint the pictures” in the editor’s mind, and to lend itself well to an illustrator’s vision.
[See the first page of what the manuscript format looked like (below left). Note that the book title subsequently changed from this version.— JC]
CY: The plot is mainly a chase scene, so we really could not have covered the story with the usual scenes and spots.
JC: Was it envisioned as a comic strip hybrid at this point? Or did this evolve through many thumbnails and book dummies?
Mike Lowery: I had been working on the manuscript as a straight-forward picture book, with the illustrations on each page or spread focusing on one tiny segment from the text. It wasn’t working at all because there were so many great, little actions, descriptions of characters, etc.
I just had to figure out a way to break up the text and show a LOT more on each page. After almost a year of working on it like this, I finally had the idea to make it into the sequential or “comic book” format.
CY: Mike suggested the sequential comic book format, and we agreed that it really solves many of the problems.
ML: From there it was a breeze, and the book became a lot of fun to work on.
JC: I love the opening line: “I began in a bowl. I was not yet myself — just a list of ingredients pulled from a shelf…“. It’s funny! Were you amazed at how the text was broken up, and the decisions behind the pacing? There’s 75 separate pictures panels total, from very small multiple-series to stand-alone single-pagers, plus one double-page spread.
LM: Thank you. I love that line too because it pulls readers in, as they wonder “Who begins in a bowl?” I revised the beginning many times with my critique groups, but I was determined to keep that first line.
I story-boarded the text during revision and before I submitted it, to see where possible page turns might occur and to check the pacing of the story.
The format of the text in the book is actually very close to how it was submitted in manuscript form — in couplets or four-line stanzas.
JC: Who was the editor?
CY: Nicole Kasprzak shepherded this through the initial manuscript, sketches and most of the final art, and Susan Kochan finished off the project at the end.
ML: I pitched the idea [of the sequential comic strip format] to Nicole initially with some fairly worked-out drawings, as opposed to rough sketches, because I definitely wanted the crew to get on board with the idea. They did, and the book turned out much better because of it.
For some reason I was incredibly nervous that they wouldn’t like the idea, and I’d get stuck working on something that I just wasn’t happy with.
CY: We suggested the floor plan so that we can move through the school. We asked him to differentiate the various types of spaces—cafeteria, gym, nurse’s office, art room etc.
The evolution of text during the making of a picture book (above): The text changed for the first floor plan illustration, after the GB Man finds the school nurse. It went from “Your class passed my office just minutes ago” to “Your class turned the corner just minutes ago” because it worked better with the floor plan illustration.
JC: Did the editor share all illustration sketches with author Laura Murray? Or perhaps you [Cecilia and book designer Ryan Thomann] and the editor collaborated on what guidelines to best support Mike Lowery with?
CY: I think Nicole shared sketches with the author at key points.
LM: As an author, it is like Christmas when you get to see the first sketches! You know your characters well, but it is a bit of magic when an illustrator brings them to life!
Yes, I loved Putnam’s floor plan idea and Mike’s comic-panel format!
And yes, the character dialogue was in the text from the very beginning. Since the book is written from the GB Man’s point of view, I wanted the story to have lots of active dialogue rather than just narration.
CY: I believe that this was Mike’s first or second book, so we worked very closely with him at every stage. This book took quite a while. There were many, many rounds of sketches and final art — almost two years from assignment to delivery of the final loose ends. We made a lot of suggestions for developing the characters, finding different ways to show the school setting, and varying the scale and the vantage point.
We worked with Mike extensively on the final palette for consistency and legibility. We also proofed and press proofed sample pages to determine the reproduction of the color.
CY: Mike started off hand-lettering the text, but we were worried about the mix of caps and lower case for such a young reader. Ryan worked with me and the editor to find a font that looks hand-lettered. Mike then combined that with hand-lettered words in color, for emphasis.
LM: It was awesome to see how well the chosen font fit, how certain words were bolded or colored to give emphasis, and how capitals were used to set the dialogue apart — a lot of thought and work from the illustrator and design team! :-)
ML: We went through several stages of revisions for the character. From the beginning none of us were really pushing for him to have the standard gingerbread “cookie” look. When I spoke with Nicole at the very beginning of being asked to take a look at the manuscript, she made it clear that she was drawn to the personality of the characters that I draw. So I wanted to work that style into the gingerbread man, for sure.
CY: We went through many rounds of character sketches. My comments to Mike at the time: “It may be useful to think of this as a cookie with personality, rather than a cookie made with dough and icing by kids that comes alive.
This means that he could have a full range of human facial expressions. The mouth can be be dimensional and mobile: opening, closing and smiling really wide. The eyes are better once they are able to close and lower, but perhaps the position of the eyes and the pupil can move, and we can hint at the presence of eyebrows to help convey a wider range of emotions.”
CY: Yes, the author made quite a few changes to the text as Mike developed the sketches.
LM: Nicole showed me Mike’s work prior to starting on Gingerbread Man. She also shared the initial character sketches, the first round of book sketches, the colored version of the sketches, and the F&Gs. I was able to comment, look for consistency with the text, and shout out my enthusiasm for the illustrations at each stage :-)!
JC: Laura, do you recall communal decisions? Discussions [between the book collaborators] of what actually happened at your school?
LM: Mike and I actually did not get in touch with one another until after the book came out. I think publishers like to give each artist his/her space to create a unique interpretation of the work.
I was fine with that. Mike gave the illustrations layers and elements that I could not have imagined. I didn’t expect to, nor did I want to, have a say in his creative process.
If I had comments or questions, I posed those to my editor. So, I don’t really recall discussions about specific details with this book.
I hoped that my vision written in the text was clear enough, yet open enough, to allow Mike his own unique interpretation of the visuals, along with guidance from the wonderful art design team at Putnam. But I would certainly be open to any questions or discussions on details, etc. with future books.
JC: That is awesome! A true collaboration, and what sparkling results!
[Specal note: A sequel is in the works. Yes! — JC]
LM: There were a few small alterations to the text that did not change the plot, but flowed with the illustrations and dialogue a bit better. The one that we pondered over for a while was the text for the MISSING poster illustration. The original text mixes the GB man’s narration with the text of the childrens’ Missing poster, and it made the format of the illustration tricky. So the text was changed from. . . .
The poster said MISSING: From Room 23.
And right underneath was a drawing of me!
If found, please return him as soon as you can.
We think he is lost. He’s our Gingerbread Man.
And there on the wall was a drawing of me!
The poster said: MISSING From Room 23.
If found please return him as soon as you can.
We think he is lost. He’s our Gingerbread Man.
. . . . so we could get all the narration in one place, and all the poster text to follow. This may seem like a simple enough text revision, but it actually took longer than one might think due to the rather rigid pattern of writing in rhyme and rhythm. Here’s the final illustration:
JC: I must confess you got me when Gingerbread Man declared “I’m in somebody’s lunch!” — and it was strategic that this scene would happen on a right-hand page. Makes you anticipate the next page turn!
LM: Great! And yes, this is a very natural and fun place for a page turn.
JC: What did the art look like in person, at the Original Art Show (at the Society of Illustrators Annual 2011) Exhibition)? The copyright page says it’s “… rendered in pencil, traditional screen printing, and digital color.”
ML: The drawings always start out really rough with just pencil. I draw over that with pencil again on tracing paper. From there my process goes in a few directions.
For some of the larger areas of color, I mask out an area on a screen printing screen using tape, and print out large areas of flat color. I scan in these prints, and overlap the drawings that I made in pencil.
For a lot of the smaller areas of color, I wouldn’t have time to print out every single piece, so those are finished in Photoshop. I have lots of old screen print textures scanned — I teach this as part of one of my classes at SCAD, so every quarter I add 30-40 new textures to my collection — that I use in my final illustrations.
JC: Cool and groovy endpapers! Whose idea?
CY: Ryan worked with Mike to put this together.
LM: Some of Mike’s artwork from the book was used in the teacher’s guide on my website. A wonderful author/teacher colleague, Natalie Lorenzi, prepared the 28-page guide of curriculum-linked ideas and activities for me to include on the website as a resource for teachers/librarians/parents. Putnam also has it available on their website.
One teacher, Margaret Oliver, has been in touch with me and was SO enthusiastic about the book and her student’s reaction to it! She even sent me a GB Man bingo card they created for the classroom and Missing posters that her students colored. I have them hanging on my office wall. Here is one (below):
“Gingerbread Man Loose in School is the complete package! It’s fun, engaging, full of action, and it has extras – a removable map in the back of the book, and a website with even more ideas. As a teacher, I appreciate its strong use of visual supports and rhyming to increase comprehension for young readers. Laura Murray has immediately become one of my favorite authors, and I can’t wait for her next book!” — Margaret Oliver
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